The Council Speaks
by Robin M Johnson
Colleen Bonner, mayor, closed the public hearing held Wednesday, June 28, and turned time for comment over to the city council. Councilman Karl Dodge was excused from the meeting.
Bonner said, "I think we’re good, tonight, for the public comment
time. We will have other opportunities for the public to voice their opinions.
I appreciate the turn out tonight. I appreciate the comments that were made,
the well thought out things that we’ve heard; a lot of good information for us
as a council to go back and to make some decisions. Does the council have any
comment?"
Bob Probst, council member, said, "I’ve heard a lot of good
comments tonight, but two that stuck out in my mind was Lyle Gertsch and Randy Lundin. (Both spoke on open space.) If you really stop and think about it, we are literally surrounded by open
space in this valley. You don’t have to go very far in any direction to find
more open space than you can possibly use. You got the river, you got two golf
courses, you got the mountains, you really don’t have to go to far.
"How much
open space do you want, really? What is the requirement if you can’t go out of
your house and look out the back door and see something, you gotta get on a
bike, go on get in your car, drive up and get on a walk. There’s a trail that
goes clear around the lake clear to the dam. I mean, there’s open space,
galore. And I don’t know that putting a big tax burden on the majority of the
citizens for the convenience of a few is quite fair. We live in a place where
there’s just endless open space around us, you have to make a little effort to get
out and see it. You gotta do more than just look out your window."
"A bond
may seem like a good idea, but it’s a long term burden to your taxes, and
you’re going to see more bond issues coming up for schools. I think in the not
to distant future. How much taxes do we want?"
Lisa Christian, council member, said, "And Midway Elementary is the oldest and so
we are going to be affected next."
Probst said, "You’re going to see another High School, I believe,
in the next few years."
Bonner said, "I’ve heard talk about that already.{
Probst said, "There’s tax increases just around the corner beyond what we’re
talking about. So I’d say, get out, make a little effort to go see the open
spaces around us."
Bonner said, "But I think we’ve been given some good comments to
create tool boxes of other ways, of maybe not having to bond, but to be able
to, like you say, preserve some of that, maybe in our entry corridors, and
different things like that."
Probst said, "I’m a farmer, I like to preserve farmers as much as
anybody. Maybe some easements are the right thing, but one thing that might
work better than anything is to go back and, I think we really need to look at
the density. Reduce the density and certainly the height of the buildings.
Something’s going to be built there, sooner or later, we don’t know when or
what, but we need to try and make sure it’s the right thing. Down here."
Bonner asked, "Are you talking about the C-4?"
Probst said, "That's the big issue ... there’s no doubt that someday, at some point, someone’s
going to do something with that property. You know, they have property rights
like the next guy does. So, I’m not completely sold on the bond idea. But there’s more open space than you can literally
shake a stick at. You don’t have to go far to find it."
Kent Kohler, council member, said, "I just have a couple of thoughts. It’s a
delicate issue, especially when you talk about property rights, land owners.
I’m more ... interested in
Pure Midway, for example, if you’ve gone out and you’ve talked to folks. I’m
interested in what the Lundins have to say, I mean, I’m interested in what the
Probst’s have to say, the Kelly’s have to say, the Van Wagoner’s have to say, the Kohler’s have to say, because they’re the ones still, the majority of our open
space that we are talking about. They’re still doing the farming on it."
"When you talk about having a charette, I’m all for
that, but I think we need to involve the property owners in this discussion,
because they’re the ones that have the open space that we covet at this point.
Well if there’s some kind of an incentive, which we’ve come up with the rural
preservation, I know we have an
application, I think it’s two of them, I think that’s a great way to help
preserve some of this open space.
"I
applaud Steve Ferrell (county councilman) because he’s keeping his piece of ground, he’s farming it,
that’s what we’d love to see. Gosh, those of us that have been here for our
lives, you know, when we had the small little dairy, Steve had a small little
dairy, Bob did, most of the farmers around had these little small dairies.
Grant has continued to keep his which is the last one here. But those days are
gone. I applaud Grant and I hope he can keep in business, he had to do the
cheese and the milk factory to keep the farming alive."
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One of Midway's barns still in use today. Photo: (c) Robin M Johnson Taken June 2011 |
Christian, who is also Grant's sister, said, "Well, and I hope all of you out here, and I’m going to
just say in this room, if they get manure on the road, don’t complain, think
how grateful we are that he’s here. Don’t call and complain. He’s doing his
best."
Bonner said, "It's organic fertilizer."
Kohler added, "It’s the smell of money."
Kohler continued his comments, "The bonding, it’s …, I
think we can, hopefully we can use some other methods. We do, someone said we
have a lot of means, maybe it was Lyle that said this. A lot of means, we’ve
got a lot of money in the valley now. Geez, when I was (growing up) here there was no
building going on. Somebody built a house, it was a rarity. We didn’t have
people moving in here in the 70’s and the 80’s. Matter of fact our population
decreased, I think, in the 70’s. They weren’t here.
"Now we’re here,
we’re building 20,000 square foot homes; I see 25,000 square foot homes in
Midway. I never would have thought that. To me, growing up here, I’m like what
the heck; if you built a 3,000 square foot home you were doing pretty good. But
we do have a lot of means, I think we can get, hopefully we can get, somebody
will pony up. I say man up, pony up. Maybe put in a fund and help preserve some
of this open space.
"I was talking to George Hansen at the store the other day.
He asked me what are the big issues going on in the city, I says well, you’ve
heard about the C-4, who knows where that’s going to end up, I said, but we got
a meeting Wednesday on bonding for open space. George said, 'Well, I hope you’re going to
look at your corridors, your mountain areas, that’s the place you need to focus
on.' I’m like, exactly, that’s where you look up to see the open space. I think
that’s what we need to focus on, and we’ll talk more about this, I could ramble
on. It’s a big issue, and I think we’ll take some time like you said. We’ll
pick through it. We don’t make hasty decisions. I know we've been accused of it,
but we won’t. I think we’ll take our time, work with the county and work with
some other issues and we’ll get it right."
Bonner said, "Yeah, we’ll get it right, that’s what we want to do,
we want to get it right when we do it."
Van Wagoner said, "I’ll keep mine short. I’m one of them farmers,
also. But unfortunately, because of the growth, the biggest share of my farm
was taken by the sewer district so that we could expand the sewer ponds so that
the rest of the people that live here now can live in this valley. I still
lease quite a bit of property, and I still run cattle. I have mother cows and I
love open space. But sometimes our open space comes as a cost to others. Keep
that in mind.
"You know I’ve heard a lot of comments about developments and
that, I probably would like to make a lot of comments, too. But I have learned
that I don’t all the property, I don’t have all of the answers. One thing I
think we need to do is I think we need to explore some possibilities. I met
with a developer today, and we’re talking about doing an exchange on his
development for open space to where almost half of the development will be open
space. Whether it will pan out or not, I don’t know. But we’re working on it.
"I
think we all have the same goal.We want to see a rural Midway. I
think that we all want to have the luxuries of walking out of our backyard and
look up and see the mountains. Bob had a good point. I can get on my Razor, and
within two or three minutes I’m in the mountains and I don’t have a soul around
me. And I got all the open space that I need, but I still would like to have
open space in town.
"We've got to be conscientious about our developments. I think
that our density in some areas is to great, I would love to see us back off. A
good comment was the wetlands being used as part of the development, I don’t
agree with that. I think that that shouldn’t be part of their open space, shouldn’t count.
'I think that we need to get a committee together
and explore opportunities or options. I think that we would be making a great
mistake if we thought we could get it on the ballot this fall. I think that if
we’re going to do it, let’s do it right, let’s do some studies, let’s look at
other areas, and not necessarily Park City. You know, I can’t say that
I’ve been impressed with Park City open space and the way they’ve done it,
because most of their open space, or a lot of their open space doesn’t have
animals. What I’m hearing from you, we like to see the cows. We like to see the
horses. We like to see the trails.
"A good comment was brought up by Mr. Lundin.
The trails are in dire need. Once we get all the trails that are planned for
Midway the estimated cost for maintenance is $250,000 a year. So we need to
start coming up with either a better way of making trails, I have some ideas, I
just got back from Europe and I seen some trails over there that I like and I’m
going to propose them during this moratorium to the council and see if it’s
something they might be interested in. So I think we got a long ways to go, I
think we need to get a committee together, we need to look at ways that we can
come up with money and not rush into it."
Christian said, "I think
tonight was very good, and I think that the biggest thing that we need to do is
all work together. I just have to say there’s a fine line, because many of you
who stood up tonight live on my farm. All of the people in the Dutch Fields, I
cried the day they dug those holes, I hate it, but you’re all here. And those
people who have the open space, whose families have been here as long as I
have, have kept that open space and it’s been nice for all of us and now we
can’t penalize them because they didn’t develop … before, before we came up
with trying to keep it all open. So we have to be careful.
"I really feel
strongly, not that we can’t keep it open, but we also have to work with them
and they have to be able to have some say because they have those rights, and
their families worked that land and, it’s like Kent said, a lot of them had
farms there, a lot of them, there were farms on those open spaces that worked
hard, and those families worked hard, and I’ll tell you right now, the Dutch
Fields is paying for my mom to be taken care of, and those people need to have
that same right. So I live it a little differently than most, because I’ve
watched that, and I love so many people in the Dutch Fields, love them, glad
you’re here. And I have great friends there. Which one was it I’d kick out?
Well, you can’t come because we have the open space, I wouldn’t do that. I love
you all and you’ve added such great things to our community.
"I think we
need to really consider the best way to keep that feel, and keep it rural. As
far as a bond, I’m concerned about the bond, I look at Pure Midway, and they’ve
done some great things, and I’m hoping maybe they’ll come up with some ideas to
help us, because I don’t think we have time for a bond. If we wait for the next,
I don’t think we can get to this election, if we wait to the next election a
lot of the ground that we would really want to be open is going to be gone. So,
unless we come up with alternate ways, and there’s a whole bunch of smart
people out there, and right here, and we ought to be able to come up with some
other ways. Maybe there’s grants, maybe there’s, you know, there’s got to be
some ways to figure out, to do some things. Besides, I know that we’re really
going to work on some of the density, and some of the zoning. And I feel like
that’s important. So, thank you guys all for being here and I appreciate all of
your comments and that you’re all here and that you love Midway as much as I do
and I’ve been here a long time."
Bonner said, "I think the idea of putting
together a group of citizens as a committee to look at this and to evaluate,
from what I’m hearing tonight, the place we would start is with the farm, which
we only have one left, and maybe figure out a way to help so that Grant and
Russell can continue to farm and encourage them not to have to sell that off
for a development. I think that’s probably a place of great value in the city,
would be the farm. Actually, it’s in Wasatch County, so we will have to work
with Wasatch County on that."
Christian said, "But a lot of the ground that Grant actually rents and
uses and puts cows on are in Midway, and those are going away, Rene was right,
they’re going away. And pretty soon he’s not going to have a place (to farm) to
hay and to put cows, and we, you know, it’s going to go away."
Bonner said, "I think as far as starting, just from what I’ve
heard tonight, that would be the place we would focus on, or that one of the
top priorities ... I would think that the
Kohler farm, and maybe between us, and working with Wasatch County somehow that
makes it even better for it, you know, that the farm isn’t really in Midway,
it’s in Wasatch County but we can work together and maybe our dollars can go
further. It definitely needs looked into, there’s definitely a lot of things
that we need to do and I think that we need to do it right, we’re only going to
get the opportunity to do it once, so we need to make sure we do it right. So,
with that, we’ll just keep you posted as to what we’re going to do. I think if
forming a committee is something that we’re all kind of in favor of, I think we could ... come up with some guidelines."
Christian said, "What exactly, I mean, I totally agree, but just so if
we’re going to put it out there for applications, what is this committee? Is it
an open space committee, what is it?"
Bonner said, "Let’s discuss that and we’ll put it on in
two weeks for a discussion of where that’s going to be. Okay, sounds good to
me. So, alright, thank you for being here."
The council scheduled a work meeting for tonight, Wednesday, July 12, at 5:00 pm, to discuss forming a committee relating to open space.